Sunday, December 18, 2011

Ketuchup and Catsup Jr.

Team Location - Sheboygan

 Sheboygan may be a little better than Wausau in terms of small city supporting a franchise. Roughly 50,000 people, within an hour of high populated areas such as Milwaukee (and the greater metro area), Green Bay, Fond du lac, Manitowoc, and Appleton. It is outside of 150 miles that I think you need to be now outside of the Blackhawks territory without paying a fine. You get the Green Bay and Milwaukee TV audience.

Team Location - Whitewater

Whitewater, good distance between Madison and Milwaukee. It is also located around several smaller cities but when put together create a sizable population. Cities like Janesville, Beloit, Jefferson, Johnson Creek, Oconomowoc, and Delavan. You may also get a sizable audience from Rockford, IL that don't feel like traveling to Chicago for the Blackhawks. It also has a great college population. The biggest knock would be size as Whitewater has the smallest population listed on here of around 13,000.

Team Location - Eau Claire

Eau Claire, I think it could be almost a reverse Madison, where you have their big college support the college hockey team and you could have the small college atmosphere support the NHL. I'm thinking Eau Claire a little more than when I started, it may be a close second to Wausau. Apparently there might be a (new) rule that NHL teams can't be within 80 miles of each other, which would also knock Milwaukee off. If it was, New Jersey, and the New York's would have had to be grandfathered in among others, and Eau Claire is in the 80-90 mile range from Minneapolis. Following that rule could work too because you could get just above the limit to create a better rivalry, and it is a pretty large college town...

Team Location- Green Bay

Green Bay seems too focused on football, but I think Packer fans could see room for one more. If the Packers are having a relatively poor season, December then onward could be great months. I think some owners would be scared by the Packer fans, but the misconception is always that they are focused to football. When instead they should just be considered great sports fans in general and are committed to their hometown teams no matter what.

Team Location - Wausau

Certainly the most important aspect when creating a franchise. Everything else can be built from this decision, but if you misinterpret your research and get it wrong your team is dead in the water unless they win the championship every year. Owners typically think go to a place with a ton of people, fulfill your TV audience as well and it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Tell that to the Florida Marlins, New Jersey Nets, Tampa Bay Rays, or NY Islanders that see their teams struggle during the regular season. No matter the size, if you don't have the interest you'll fail 9 times out of 10. It's easy to love a winner, but you are going to have bad stretches for the most part and you have to make sure the enjoyment of watching and following a team is there when you're on a 10 game losing streak.

Conversely look at the Green Bay Packers. In a city with a population a little over 100,000 and the largest by far in the immediate area, they sell out every weekend, have a huge national following and will for generations to come. Although it would be near impossible to recreate the situation of the Packers with the history and tradition, their franchise is the framework I would like to see this one built around.

Best Location so far - Wausau, WI

Wausau? Wausau?! How could they ever support an NHL in team with a population a smidge under 40,000? We believe Wausau would be a great city to host a franchise due to it's regional following, still relative proximately to major markets and in creating the cult of following of winning one for the little guy that sconnie embraces so well.

Northwest Wisconsin has a very rich hockey tradition that I think is hungry for the highest level of competition. This area has excellent youth programs, up through high school that create champion caliber hockey every year due to that passion. The region is pretty much left out of the major sports in Wisconsin and is more apt to contain Minnesota fans as a result. Southeast has the Bucks and Brewers, Northeast the Packers, southcentral/west the badgers. By putting a team there, places like Tomahawk, Merrill, Wisconsin Rapids, Eau Claire, and Superior would all have easy access to the team. All these cities among others in the area also support a total population of well over 100,000, quite a few within an hour of Wausau. It isn't so far out though like an Eau Claire or Superior that it wouldn't be somewhat accessible by the major markets of Green Bay, Milwaukee, and Madison every once in awhile. Hockey is a tough sport that is certainly not for the prima donna. It is full of tradition, strict codes that imbibe honor and respect so you need a region that fits that spirit and I think they do perfectly.

Wausau would also maintain that national appearance in similar light as Green Bay has of David v Goliath, but that David will always go to the whistle, the 15th round, the bottom of the 9th type mentality. Green Bay has a very specific taste where if you are an athlete that whines about contracts, doesn't hustle, doesn't have respect for the game that you won't have a place much longer in the organization. Putting in a place like Wausau over a Milwaukee would certainly help that image and mentality that we take pride in with our sports figures and teams.

To note, Wausau also has an airport for team travel.

Team Location - Madison

 Madison is still a big one we were tossing around for obvious reasons. Good hockey town, they have the facilities, and they are decent size. But we thought about the semi-pro teams that came and went over the last 20 years (Monsters, Kodiaks, Capitals, and the recently collapsed Madison Ice Muskies but that's a different topic all together) so that was a big knock. But were those more of a problem of situation rather than interest? Also somewhat in the middle between the Twin Cities and Chicago.

Who Qualifies as a Wisconsin Player?

If you haven't noticed already we have a section of the website devoted to the greatest players that Wisconsin has produced ( But who should count as a Wisconsin player? Can it be anyone that played hockey in Wisconsin? Then should we look more towards the Badgers instead of the Admirals since they are defined more by what their NHL team does? Right now Chris Chelios is the only one that is borderline since he only played 2 years at UW. Brian Rafalski wasn't born here but spent a good deal of time here playing on the Capitols and Badgers (4 year player). But once a Badger always a Badger?

Need to be born in Wisconsin.
Yeah, I would say needs to be born in Wisconsin or born somewhere else and moved to Wisconsin at a fairly young age.

Wisconsin Travels

Wisconsin has a lot of great options for locations but the main thing to remember is that we travel very well to events at all levels. There are huge high school, college and professional followings more than the average state. Putting a team in Green Bay doesn't hurt them because a lot people that go to Lambeau on Sunday's are coming from Madison, Milwaukee, Fond Du Lac, Eau Claire, etc. Is a good guess for that number 40%? It is always laughable to hear that the reason people don't go to Rays games in Tampa or Coyotes games in Arizona is because of where the stadium is located...across town...30 miles away. This high level of state wide support would also help in playing schedule which we will discuss on a later page.

The Team Tour

This is where I think it would be fun for the whole state. Every year you rotate a city in Wisconsin that is capable and that city hosts the team for a 4-7 game home stretch. Wisconsin has wonderful facilities all over that could certainly house them for that length of time. It could also be an event for that area to help boost tourism dollars. I think it would be a great way to keep interest at a high level for most of the population as well. There could also be events similar to the Badger's winter classic, where they could play on Lambeau Field or Camp Randall.

Indoor Facilities to possibly host (capacity approximates): The Bradley Center (18,700), Kohl Center (15,300), Dane Co. Coliseum (9,500), Brown County Arena (5,200),

Would it be fun for an NHL team to play in a 5000 seat arena?
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Re: Team Tour

Postby FallsLlamas » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:09 am
It's about $. If we only have the ability to hold 5000 people, there is no way we could have an NHL team. If I had to guess, the smallest NHL arena is 12,000 people. I am not saying we are going to sell out the BC every night, but we need a big arena to pay the salaries of our players. It might be cool to play in a small, intimate arena, but the players would rather play in a place with luxury boxes, $100 seats, and the most $ possible.
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Do People Enjoy the Bradley Center?

 Should it be replaced or should it constantly be updated? I think if championships start being won there people will start appreciating it. It's a pretty decent facility and represents the good work that the Bradley/Pettit family did for Milwaukee. How could it be improved?
 I hate it for basketball. I can't afford the expensive seats and the cheap seats for basketball are awful. It's a great building for hockey, which makes sense because it was donated by the Pettits to bring an NHL team here. The sight lines are great for hockey, even when you're in the top corner of the 400 level.

I remember my first Admirals game at the Bradley Center. It was in the mid 90s, my dad got free tickets from work. He didn't really like hockey and was debating whether or not to take us to the game. Nobody in the family was really a hockey fan at that point but last minute we decided to go. We got there, seats were in section 406 which is in the corner. Even though the Admirals lost to the hated Wolves, we all had a great time.

It could use some renovations but it's not a horrible building and with the proper renovations it could be a very good NHL building.

What NHL team do people from Wisconsin root for?

Or who should we root for? I've heard a lot that the Blackhawks are a favorite, not sure if that is represented by a lot of transplants or because it is somewhat easy to get to games from Milwaukee and Madison. I don't know of many Wild fans here, maybe as you go north towards Eau Claire and such they gain popularity. The Anaheim Ducks were fairly popular when I was kid, mostly due to the movies, but are they too far away? Detroit and St. Louis are the next closest after MN and Chicago.

by Dubbs1280

Minnesota Wild. How can you not love the "State of Hockey" and a fanbase that supports their team as well as we support the Packers.

by AdmiralsFan24 » Fri May 27, 2011 6:18 pm
Predators. I also watch the Wild since several of their games are on TV every season.

Saturday, December 17, 2011

Team Name/Logo - Braves

A couple months ago a forum user named "Erica" made the suggestion of the Milwaukee Braves as a team name. I loved it, I thought that team would be perfect, you tie into Milwaukee's sports history as well as Wisconsin's overall history. Many of us are too young to remember the effect the Braves had on the state, and the devastation of when they left. From what I hear they were fully beloved, and probably would rival the Packers for attention if they would have stuck around. Part of the reason for that was how successful they were. They didn't have a losing season for all 13 years they were in Milwaukee, also winning a world series and having players that rival the stature of the Yankees didn't hurt either. Maybe if you bring a team there with the same name you get a little kharma rubbed off, and perhaps a pavlovian response of happiness everytime you hear that name, "and introducing the MILWAUKEE BRAVES!". Ahhhhhhh.

by jwiii69
In this ridiculously PC culture, you want to start a team with the name Braves?!? I don't see that going anywhere...I doubt the league would even ALLOW a native name to come in now.

Love the Caps colors though, you'd never mistake it for anyone else's scheme.

Just my $0.02


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I definitely failed to take that into consideration. I figured it would be okay given our history with the franchise of the Braves, but it probably is unlikely now if it would be a "new" expansion.

I didn't realize how serious it is, but to your point since 1990 when PC’ness came into full force these are your expansion/relocation teams in all the major sports – Wild, Lightning, Thunder (ironic), Panthers (NFL, NHL), Bobcats, Jaguars, Grizzlies, Raptors, Ravens, Nationals, Devil Rays (cut down to Rays even), Diamondbacks, Rockies, Thrashers, Hurricanes, Sharks, Blue Jackets, Predators, Avalanche, and Ducks. I was only half ass joking when I said you are basically giving up naming your team after a jungle cat but it looks like that is what you have to do these days so as not to offend anyone. It does seem you almost have to be grandfathered into it.

Maybe if we had the full backing of the native population of Wisconsin. I know when Miller Park was going to be built there was a bid by a tribe to build the stadium but it was rejected. If that comes up again if a new arena needs to be built maybe Braves could be approved. To me Braves always came off as a positive connotation of Native American culture, but then again I'm white. Or perhaps we could take Braves to mean something more general.

Team Name - Union


We finally have an idea to tie ourselves to at least something going on. A proposed team name of the Wisconsin Union. Before I get into reasons of why I think it may work, let me just say we are not trying side with anyone completely from a site standpoint, people who know me personally know what side I'm on but I don't think it's appropriate to leak it through a hockey website. We will remain as much as we can a sports website. I abhor those that try to step back and forth between many different lines. There is enough politics in the media enough as it is with talking heads babbling incoherently non stop, it might be nice to have some places that are void of that and just try to focus at the topic at hand. Not to mention I think it alienates readers when there is no need to. Unless it is politics in relation to the NHL or hockey we'll leave it to those sites that you expect it from and ones you probably read on your own already. Or I could just be avoiding the inevitable.

But for the most part which ever side you are on, it is hard no to appreciate the dedication the protesters have show to a cause they believe so strongly about. Isn't that what America was founded on? I've never been more proud to be from Wisconsin than during this time.

Great Things About the Name Union/logo:

We'd instantly become a trivia question on what sports teams don't end in the word "S". Most are from the NHL anyway.

Used a hammer which is symbolized in the Wisconsin flag to represent our recognized manufacturing industry.

It would connect with Wisconsin's history as a major force in the Union army during the Civil War.

The significance of the Memorial Union, boom.

And yes it would tie back to the storied tradition of Unions in Wisconsin and as they exist today.

Team Name/Logo - Bavarians


League Insertion

How are teams added to any league? Can anyone just say " I have the money I want a team and they do it". It seems a lot more people would be buying and starting teams then, yet Mark Cuban is always having problems with it. Is it like a fraternity and you have to get hazed with paddles?

Once we figure out that portion then we would need to insert somewhere between the conferences most likely. If we would expand the league it may water down talent too much. Currently there are 30 NHL teams. 15 per conference. Each conference is made up of 3 divisions which have 5 teams. If we would adopt Phoenix, the West would still work out well, they would just have to shift some teams around but we could build some interesting rivalries. One idea would be to go into the Northwest division of the Western with Minnesota. That way you could move Vancouver to the Pacific. I think there would still be a decent rivalry between WI, IL, MI.

An argument for getting a team in Wisconsin would be to look at how the league is set up now. Below is a map showing what states and provinces currently have hockey. Blue are the Canadian teams and red US.

It seems a little disjointed. Very few border states unless you are on the east coast or Canada. Not a lot of teams within a days travel by car as well. If you look at football, it comes out a little differently.

I added a few more states for New England since that is a regionally named team, and New Jersey since technically the football is played in the state. The NFL is leaps and bounds ahead of the NHL in terms of popularity and revenue so it isn't just as simple as saying where teams are located is the reason but one has to consider the factor of how having border states helps pique interest in something. That is in essence where college sports is coming from. Sure I hate Penn State when UW plays them but I'm not sweating it if they lose to them as much as I would Illinois or Minnesota. Nowadays rivalries can be created in any fashion but one of the quickest is to pit two states with history against each other in something.

The best situation so far - Buying the Phoenix Coyotes and moving them to Wisconsin. Moving teams is somewhat easier than adding them since there usually isn't a lot of reshuffling of divisions. Also for those not aware Phoenix has a few bad seasons and are seeing ticket sales plummet. Since the begininng of the season there have been talks that they will need to be bought by the league. But for some reason they want to keep them in Phoenix??

Team Name/Logo - Lumberjacks


A couple close seconds: The Lumberjacks. Wisconsin does have a rich logging tradition and it is the reason many settlers came here, not to mention our relation to the Paul Bunyan tall tale. They could also spin them off into the Axe Men, or the The Jacks. We could also make foam axes as merchandise.

Team Location - Milwaukee

 Milwaukee, they already have the Admirals, the Bucks and Brewers all during crucial hockey months. I am also weary of the big cities and sports. Take New York, biggest city in the US, but if you are not the Yankees or winning a championship New Yorkers in general don't care about you. Granted, Milwaukee isn't New York, unless you look at the example of the Bucks. They don't sell out without being championship caliber. The same percentage of people are probably die hard in both cities, New York just has the benefit of having 1000% more people than Milwaukee so even mediocre seasons will see healthy ticket sales. Think of the Nets and Knicks, you saw how many die hard fans there really are last couple years when they were on pace to win 10-20 games for much of the season. Some of that had to do with poor ownership and it's hard to justify shelling out hard earned money to support inferior products. But you want to know how much interest you really have start losing, be the worst team in the league for one year. That's an expensive way to do market research as you fail, but that is how big, metropolitan, Neapolitan, financial center cities are with a good portion of franchises.

That isn't to say that Milwaukee isn't a great sports town, there just has to be a certain level of support even during rough patches. With all the dozens of other things to do in cities not to mention the ratio of people transplanted there it seems like a crapshoot if new big city franchises will succeed or not. Remember when the Brewers were in danger of being moved in the late 90's? It may have been a perfect storm of things happening, and luckily they didn't but when thinking about a franchise always plan for worse case scenarios. Milwaukee would be a great choice for a lot of reasons but if I wanted to bet my money I'd rather go to a smaller city with 70-80% interest rather than a huge city with 20% interest

by AdmiralsFan24 » Fri May 27, 2011 6:26 pm
Milwaukee is the only city that's big enough to work. Still could draw a few fans from Madison and the Fox Cities.

I think the support in Milwaukee is fine. The Brewers have been supported for years even if they haven't always deserved it. The Bucks haven't been supported but they've been awful for the better part of 20 years. All an NHL team would have to do is make it to the 2nd round of the playoffs twice and 20 years and that would be an improvement over what the Bucks have done in the same time frame.

Team Name - Muskies



by AdmiralsFan24 » Fri May 27, 2011 6:22 pm
By far my favorite. The logo, the color scheme. Everything about it is perfect.

Wednesday, December 14, 2011

Greatest Hockey Movies?

1. Miracle (2004) - 9.17
2. Rocket, The (2005) - 9.12
3. Slap Shot (1977) - 8.88
4. Net Worth (1995) - 8.37
5. Mighty Ducks, The (1992) - 8.14
6. Mystery, Alaska (1999) - 8.12
7. Youngblood (1986) - 8.10
8. D2: The Mighty Ducks (1994) - 7.57
9. D3: The Mighty Ducks (1996) - 7.42
10. Waking Up Wally: The Walter Gretzky Story (2005) - 7.38
11. MVP: Most Valuable Primate (2000) - 6.79
12. Boys, Les (1997) - 6.61
13. Rhino Brothers, The (1995) - 6.08
14. Sudden Death (1995) - 5.73
15. Love Guru, The (2008) - 5.40
16. Slap Shot 2: Breaking the Ice (2002) - 5.12

this poll is from Sports in Movies I'm not sure but that might be every hockey movie ever made if MVP is up near the top (it is top 30 maybe if there were 30 but I wouldn't even rate if there were only 10) and Love Guru is even on there. I love how they blatantly make the call that D2 is better than D3, but D3 is still up there, that's stupid. I guess a new one would be Tooth Fairy, it was the only movie on a flight back from Brussels. Does Senseless or the Dead Zone count at all? The only ones I've seen are Miracle, Slap Shot, D1, D2, Mystery Alaska, and 40% of MVP. I kind of want to see the Walter Gretzky Story now that I saw it exists.

I feel like I'm betraying something but I have to go with MIghty Ducks. I think as many adults like the movie as us kids did, and I'm sorry but this then Sandlot are you kidding me, and you wonder why our generation is jacked up for the cake. It has everything you want in a movie, betrayal, tenacity, redemption, fall from grace, good prevailing, what else do you want? The thing that killed Might Ducks 2 was what are the goodwill games and when has anyone ever cared about the goodwill games like they do the goodwill games in the movie. Otherwise it was the same as the first but took it global, made it a world war.

Update:  Nope, it's slap shot

Team Name - Railers


AJ Hawk Sucks

 by CVSrules
The world champion Green Bay Packers got better for about 12 hours when the cut AJ Hawk before a contract deadline. Unfortunately, they re-signed him, which (1) makes their defense worse (2) robs a roster spot from somebody who could play special teams. Obviously AJ Hawk was no Tony Mandarich, but seriously-- why would you resign Hawk when you have Bishop and Barnett and Chillar? They have 4 middle linebackers and probably only Chillar would be a special teamer. Thompson has gone off the reservation with this one.

Team Name/Jersey - Milwaukee Gulls


Is Ron Dayne Still a Bust

I think we can safely close the book on the NFL career of Ron Dayne. Here is the final stat line:

Some Background-
Ron Dayne played 7 seasons in his NFL Career. He was with the Giants, Broncos and Texans. He was released by Houston following the 2007 season. He did not play in the 2003 season due to a kind of a weird situation. He was taken with the 11th pick by the New York Giants in the 2000 draft, leaving after his senior season with UW (only Shaun Alexander, Mike Anderson, and Jamal Lewis were taken after Dayne and had more rushing yardage than him to have a somewhat relative comparison to the class). He played in a Super Bowl his rookie season. His most popular fan nickname was Thunder (to Tiki Barber’s lightning). He thought he had a couple more years in him after 2007, but he never got the call.

Stats (all regular season numbers)-
Total Rushing Yards = 3722 Rushing (good for #203 on the all time, some below him are Kevin Faulk, DeShaun Foster, LaMont Jordon just passed him by 12 yards)
Total Attempts = 983 (good for #182 on all time, Kevin Faulk is at 847, Alan Ameche 964)
Games Play = 96 (Julius Jones is at 94)
Games Started = 28
Rushing TD’s = 28
Yards Per Att = 3.8 (most 5.1 in his season with Denver)
Attempts Per Game = 10.2 over career (14.9 was his most in a season and that was in his last year with Houston. Brandon Jacobs has a career of 10.8 attempts per game, and last year in 2010 managed 9.2)
Avg Yards/game = 38.8 (highest in a season was 59.5 in his last year)
Avg Yards/season = 532
Total Reception = 57
Total Receiving Yards = 340 (nothing to write your drunk uncle about)
Yards per Catch = 5.96
Total Yards from Scrimmage = 4062
Career Fumbles = 7 (1 per year)
Longest Run 61 Yards
2 Successful 2 point conversions
Won All Iron Award in 2005 for Thanksgiving Game
*A couple of other notes, he was improving as the years went on. His YPA started in the 3’s but never got below 4 again after he left NYG. He scored 11 TD’s in his final 2 years.

To the Point, from 2002 until about 2006, and some say continually depending on how late you watch ESPN, Ron Dayne was thrown on just about every conceivable list of draft busts. This is of all time now. Not just running backs, not just Heisman winners, not just players selected from a certain state of birth, everyone who has ever been drafted in history of the draft. A relatively small city kid, phenomenal college player, with disciplined professional skills in a longer than average career and you are going to put him in what is essentially the Top 99 percentile of players you did not want on your team after the year 1980. How is a running back from the Big Ten (12) that you draft from middle first of the 2000 draft a Top 50 draft bust of all time? Does he deserve to still be a member even considering the most recent draft classes and the rest of his career extending passed the production dates of many of these polls/lists?

Taking everything into consideration I think he was a serviceable back that needed to fit into certain systems, but turned out a respectable career. He altered his style and began to show signs of improvement when his career was arguably cut short by a couple years. Not an All-Pro by any means, or someone who would even be to consecutive pro bowls but I’d be willing to put him on a Top 50 of something of the NFL other than draft busts. Knowing what we know now about running backs in the post 2000 era (i.e nary a few will play passed the age of a lord any savior in the league, Bettis might the last modern one inducted). To me it comes down to that he earned his paycheck, not too much, but didn’t get robbed. I thought his total attempts and att/game really stood out and illustrates he was just a workhorse for the Giants. These were teams that had Tiki Barber as the main back. They weren’t going to run formations with him catching passes in the flat, and he wasn’t going to break 60 yarders like he did in college and he was never meant to in that system. He was brought on as a 3rd down back, get short yardage, bruise defenders. He was like Sonny in the Godfather. I think he accomplished that well, well until he got shot up. After he slimmed down a few seasons in, he showed flashes of the break tackle, then speed off he did so well at UW. This may have led to the success he had with Houston. If the Texans would have brought him back for at least 2 more years he could have helped them out significantly and probably hit at least 5000 rushing yards. They had struggled with consistent backs since that and up until they found the gold mine, Arian Foster.
I would label Ron Dayne as a bust. However, he is not one of the biggest busts of all time. When you consider how high he was drafted, he should have been a more productive back. He was not a speed back, and wasn't really a great NFL-type RB. He was a good, solid backup, worthy of a 2nd or 3rd round pick, but not that high. Yes he left as the NCAA career yardage leader, and Heisman trophy winner, but with the UW system, O-line, and situation, his draft stock was overrated. I would say he is a minor bust, but no Ryan Leaf.

Fallsllama doesn't know what he's talking about. Ron Dayne is a Joey Harrington-esque bust. Does anybody else remember that All Iron game? He broke away from everybody on the field, was running as fast as he could, and somebody caught him.

The Arena Itself


You can't just throw a lot of money at a building, put in millions of bells and whistles and expect people to love your new monstrosity (see New Meadowlands, or previous Metrodome). Using principles of Frank Lloyd Wright it needs to be adapted into the surrounding areas not on top of it, and not to mention be embraced by the city that has to see it almost every day.

A positive of starting a hockey franchise over football is certainly facility costs. It won't be cheap, but we won't approach the $1 Billion level that NFL stadiums are costing now. NHL arenas hold typically about 15,000 people, the Bradley center and Kohl center hold 18,700 and 15,300 respectively for hockey. If we go with a smaller district, having it around 14,000 to start with would fit nicely, but have areas where we can expand easily already built in. Another positive is that many areas in Wisconsin already have an ice arena in place. Would it be possible to build around the existing one some way or add extensive improvements to help save money?

One likely obstacle is will major tax dollars have to go in building and maintaining it. Let's not touch that one yet, should a referendum like that have to pass with 80% approval? Any city that this would go into, a vast majority should want to have it.


The Barn/Ice Rink - I kind of like the ring that the name "The Barn" exudes as a place to go watch hockey. A possible sponsorship to the facility could be Leinenkugel. Different from Miller in that they don't have to pretend they are from Wisconsin anymore.

The Crows Nest - Seats high up in the rafters to watch the game. It could be used for parties or events, with full bar, multiple/gigantic TV's, etc, but you watch the game from a balcony or if it is over the center through glass in the floor. What not possible?

Hall of Pioneers - One of my favorite features of Lambeau Field are the Packer museums and hall of fame that border the stadium. If we run with the team name of Pioneers one of the things we would like to see as part of the complex is a kind of hall fame that not only showcases Pioneers of Hockey and the franchise but Pioneers of Wisconsin in general. People like Bob La Follette, Harry Houdini, William Sylvester Harley (Harley Davidson), Orson Welles, Hank Aaron, Louis Jolliet, Jacques Marquette, among others. Essentially it would become a great museum of Wisconsin's rich history that could operate within the systems of the local education districts.


Community Therapy pool/Fitness center/Rehabilitation Center- Operating at different schedules than when the team uses it, this area would hold classes for the community promoting physical strength and exercise. We don't see it operating as a come-when-you-like gym but rather as set times for certain activities. Not only does this prevent conflicts with team exercises but when you have a gym you can go anytime, you have excuses not to go, but if you have a set schedule, it helps you focus a little more. It also would have a rehabilitation center for physical therapy. When not in use by the team this could be a very valuable asset for the community. These centers are normally few and are between but with the help of the arena a state of the art facility could be achieved for the region to help people after debilitating injuries. Fingers crossed on this place having rope and rock climbing.

Outdoor Skate Rink - I love hockey that is played outdoors. Not only could this be used by the community for open skates but could also hold practices every once and awhile to keep the team on their toes.

Team Names - Pioneers, Our First Attempt

You want something simple, to the point, and can stand the test of time. They recently did a survey of best helmet logos of the NFL. The Packers, Steelers, and Colts were up near the top and they haven't changed in decades and probably never will for good reason. Yet you have teams that are trying to capitalize on current trends and try to make it too creative that they end up having to re-design it every few years. The Brewers have been around since 1970 and have changed their logo 5-6 times depending on who you ask even when the fans love the ball and glove.

Next to location, this is another top variable that needs a solid thought out process. It's a lot like naming your children, you have to plan every step of their future as a reflection of their names. It's hard to imagine someone actually approved the name Marquette Gold.

I remember awhile back SI for Kids had a contest where you would design the expansion team's logos for the NFL along with picking their names. Being in 3rd grade I was so jacked for this project, I must have done 30 different designs over the weekend. I thought at least one of mine would get looked at. They ended up going with the Jaguars and Panthers. I'm not sure if they even considered using the SI submissions, or if it was just a way to boost subscriptions and readership with kids. Naming a team after a jungle cat anymore just means you're not trying, and they did it twice to the same expansion set. Fast forward a few years later and a during a project where we wrote out what we wanted to be when we grow up, I dreamt of running a sports franchise. It was a baseball team that I aptly named the New Orleans Hurricanes. Cheap lesson learned, it's also probably not a good idea to name a team something that could potentially devastate that region down the line.

I liked the term Pioneers because it is rarely seen in sports. There are several colleges that use it though (UW Platteville). It also fits Wisconsin as it embodies the nature with which our state was settled along with our independent spirit.

A Pioneer can be anything, it doesn't have to be a guy in a covered wagon. Pioneers are innovators, tenacious, and risk takers which I think fits our state pretty well when thinking of our settlers and Native American heritage. Wisconsin had always been great about naming teams based off state institutions and I was trying to think of others. Miners was a possibility, but it didn't roll off the tongue nicely. Another was related to how great the fishing is up north, so maybe the Wausau Muskies (ode to another legendary team of Wisconsin), or Bullheads. If you like the alliteration there is always Wausau Warhawks or Warriors.

by Erika While I do like the Pioneers name, I don't see a team forming in Wausau. I really think it has to be Milwaukee or Madison, regardless of what everyone else seems to think about places being a college hockey town. I don't think Milwaukee is a college hockey town, I think at the time we were voted down before, they looked at us as not bringing enough money and fans compared to other cities. That however, is another rant, for another topic!

Let's just say Milwaukee, for travel purposes. (You know you'd get chicago/IL visitors coming up here to watch NHL games because it would be much less expensive to see a game here than it would be there! Plus it's easy from all freeways) What is Milwaukee? I don't even know our slogan anymore, but it used to be "A great Place by a great Lake". We can't be called the Milwaukee Lakes, although maybe the goalie of the other team would be trying to figure that one out and we could score a few. I thought about the history of Milwaukee and while there is German, Polish, and Beer history in Milwaukee, I find other teams easily making fun of us for names like Milwaukee Brats & Milwaukee Ice-Poles. I did think Milwaukee Millers had a nice ring to it, but I imagine the gold and red jerseys to look terrible, like the beer cans. If we went with the Milwaukee Bocks, I imagined waves of mass confusion when trying to order tickets to games over the phone.. when someone on the other line thinks you're ordering Bucks tickets. Bocks and Bucks are just too close. "Hey did you see the Bocks game last night?" "The Bucks were on? I didn't know they were playing" "Yeah, they won, 3 - 2" "wait..... what?"

I guess we'll have to go with the last resort. The Milwaukee Braves.


Postby admin I think you bring up a lot of great points, and I love the idea of calling them the Milwaukee Braves. I started to work on a logo for that even. I like how some teams do that now a days where they name it after a historical team that has already dissipated. Even the Milwaukee Brewers technically fall under that.

It definitely would increase traveling between the cities bringing in more people from Chicago to see games and vice versa. Let's face it you probably don't get many people traveling to Minnesota from Chicago to games, but if there was a closer option it would boost it.

There may be some confusion between the Bocks and the Bucks especially if games are around the same dates and sharing the Bradley Center. What if we used the full term Einbocks, does that sound good? What about putting a color in front of them like the Gold Bocks, Green Bocks, Brown Bocks. Maybe if they were located in Green Bay or Madison it could work.

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